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Our guest host tonight is Frank Coyle. Frank is a nationally known pro football scout who publishes Draft Insiders' Digest. In it's 20th season, DraftInsiders.com is a website and publication dedicated to the year round coverage of NFL and NCAA Football. Frank covers the NFL Draft and Free agency extensively with a veteran scouting staff that provides insightful information on players and team potential in the coming seasons.
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Frank's overall #1 Pick in the 2011 NFL Draft Blaine Gabbert - QB - 6’5” - 235 - Missouri
Frank's Packers 1st Round Pick Martez Wilson - LB - 6’1” - 245 - Illinois
PackerChatters Staff:
We are ready to take your NFL Draft questions for Frank Coyle of DraftInsiders.com.
Welcome all!!
Frank Coyle:
Nice to be with Packer Chat again. One week and counting.
Biggest needs are OT and OLB. How the board shakes out will dictate picks.
Ted Thompson will probably explored moving both up and back. I really don't like the value at #32
[Comment From DonDon:
Frank thanks for the chat. I know our biggest needs are at OLB and OT since we wont have any impact players falling that far where do we look next wide receiver or cornerback?
Frank Coyle:
I do like both CB and WR on the Packers high need list.
Those positions might have better value at #32.
Here is something to watch. If a QB slides or another highly regarded player, the teams in the early 2nd round will attempt to move up. GB might be able to get a few additional top 100 picks with a move back.
The #3 receiver on the board could fall to the top 40 and the CB will fall out thru mid round two.
I love CB Ras-I Dowling for the Packers He is a first round talent with some durability concerns but a 6' 200 lb cover man with real talent.
[Comment From bobbob:
Hi frank. OT being such a major need and the top 4 all probably gone by pick 32. How about some round 2/3 guys that might be there when the Pack picks. Cannon(g/ot-Tcu), Franklin(Mia),Newton(Ark St), King(S.Car),Reid(C.Fla),who are your favorites and what rounds. Thanks
Frank Coyle:
I think Ted will wait and see how picks shake out.
Moving up 10 spots will cost at least a #3 pick. Clubs will want a #2
You have to be right to pay that type of high price. I also think players like CB Jimmy Smith, LB Justin Houston and Nate Solder might be worth the price.
Cannon is moving up quickly – 2nd round pick. Mobile wide body with skills but weight concerns.
Franklin is versatile to play both ROT and guard. Boom or bust guy. Newton is underrated and a tough kid with short area quickness. Falls to third day and good late gamble. King is one of the biggest boom or bust tackle in recent years. Somebody is going to hit a home run or strike out. Reid is a tough kid who could surprise and start after a few seasons of development.
[Comment From Ron:
My take on Quarterbacks is that you can't teach accuracy. With that in mind, I would not draft Jake Locker if I were a GM. What is your take on Locker and how do you see him performing in the NFL given his lack of accuracy and the general track record for QB's with his college pass %?
Frank Coyle:
Accuracy usually does not improve in the NFL , though that is not written in stone.
David Garrard of Jax actually improved . Troy Aikman also improved significantly.
So rules have exceptions. Jake Locker lost time to baseball. He needs strong coaching on his footwork. He has everything else. I think he can be a fine starting NFL passer, though he definitely needs a season or two to make improvements.
[Comment From JamesJames:
Frank, any new thoughts on QB Kaepernick? Could he really go in the first round?
Frank Coyle:
Kaepernick is not a first round pick in my estimation
I do think he goes early in round two with some many teams at the top of the round in need and many not landing one in the first round. Kaepernick will be a good NFL starter, but needs a few seasons to settle into the pro game but he is a fine athlete with the package to succeed. I think Kaep, Ponder and Dalton fall in the 2nd round and any of the top four that possibly fall out of the first round
[Comment From JonJon:
Thoughts on Leonard Hankerson? Round?
Frank Coyle:
Hankerson is a fine possession receiver with deceiving speed.
He goes over the middle and works the sideline well. He probably goes mid 2nd round to early 3rd round. I feel he is a good #2 receiver and a fairly early NFL starter.
[Comment From Deacon DrewDeacon Drew:
Thanks Frank, Where do you have Marcus Cannon OL, TCU rated? I can't see TT taking him at pick 32 but I don't see hium lasting until pick 64.
Frank Coyle:
Marcus Cannon is a load. He is 350 lbs. and moves like he is 250 lbs.
I have him rated in the mid 2nd round. He is a fine power player with good movement skills. He can play ROT or guard and can start early as a pro. One big concern. Does he eat himself out of the league? If he is in condition, this kid can be a monster blocker. At 330 lbs, he could be a Pro Bowler.
[Comment From Steve O.Steve O.:
I'm a real Austin Pettis fan. Would he be someone the Packers look at and what round potentially should he go?
Frank Coyle:
Pettis is a very tough receiver with hands and the guts to go over the middle.
My question is this Can he separate at the NFL level? I have my doubts and it affected my ranking of him. He is a third day guy and marginal Top 150 prospect. Work on his footwork and he could surprise in 3-4 wideout sets but only a 5th round or later pick
[Comment From DonDon:
I would think we would get better than Wilson with this pick. Might as well move down then.
Frank Coyle:
Martez Wilson is some athlete. He had a great NFL Combine and was a very productive defender on an average unit. He fits better outside than inside. I rated him my #1 Inside Backer. He has a huge upside and could go in the first. Pack at #32 is in a tough spot. Trading back would be wise, though you can miss on an entire tier of prospects.
[Comment From Bob C.Bob C.:
Thoughts on QB Scott Tolzien. Good backup QB for Packers in later rounds?
Frank Coyle:
Tolzien is a good backup. He manages an offense well. He probably only goes late after the Top 200 players. He would be a good #3 to develop, though I question how much upside potential he has as a pro. There is a possibility that he does not get drafted
[Comment From SamSam:
Where do you have Jordan Todman ranked now with the RB's?
Frank Coyle:
I love Todman. I scouted him extensively and had him rated very high in my Yearbook. I rated higher than others. He is very tough and has excellent durability and ball security. I think he probably goes in the 3rd round.
[Comment From RonRon:
All I've seen is the name Nick Fairley to Tennessee at #8. I do NOT think this is happening, given the character issues the Titans are dealing with (Ken Britt). I still see them addressing the DL in round #1 and QB in round #2. What is your opinion?
Frank Coyle:
Titans have had their fill of any problem child. I think they are looking in two directions. IF they stay with the DL they will select DE Cam Jordan even though they drafted Derrick Morgan last year they need another DE. Also, I think they could take CB Prince Amukamara at the #8 spot.
He is a blue chip prospect and clean off the field. They would be two great picks with early NFL starting grades.
[Comment From JimboJimbo:
Has Ryan Mallett's stock fallen from the rumors of possible drug use that have followed him?
Frank Coyle:
Mallett has probably fallen on most boards. You only need one team to like you or need you. What does Jack and Miami do if Newton and Gabbert are off the board as expected? They would be looking at Mallett or Locker in middle of the first. If past those clubs, they could easily fall another 10-15 picks on team needs.
[Comment From MickMick:
How many QB's do you think go in the 1st and who? Thanks Frank.
Frank Coyle
I say QB go like this. Gabbert, Newton, Locker, Mallett, Ponder, Kaepernick, Dalton.
The top 4 should come off in the first round. Regardless, if only three are selected, the remaining four will go in the top part of round two. There are 9-10 teams that must get a young passer. A few won't land one but they will probably be drafting in the top ten again next April.
[Comment From dukerduker:
Your thoughts on Drake Nevis. Looks explosive. What round do you see him going.
Frank Coyle:
Drake Nevis is a small three technique tackle for a 4-3 set. He is a good fit for the Bears, Saints, Rams He may go in the third round but could fall to the 3rd day on size concerns. He needs the right setting to be effective.
[Comment From ChuckChuck:
Is Danny Watkins a first round talent and why?
Frank Coyle:
Watkins is a mature overage kid. He is not a first round talent. He is very developed and should push for early starting time at guard. I rank him high for the interior, but a 26 year old rookie. I rank him in the Top 50-60 prospects with a rookie guard starting grade. Tough savvy kid and fine technician.
[Comment From Bob C.Bob C.:
Frank....comment a little on this years TE's. Is Virgil Green from Nevada in your top 5 TE's?
Frank Coyle:
TE is a weak group Rudolph is a top 40. Green is a good athlete and a fine receiver to stretch the field in the seam. He is subpar as a blocker and a one dimensional prospect for my money.
I ranked him a Top 10 TE prospect but not a top 100 prospect. A lot of TE are strictly one dimensional and most will be late picks. Green can help in the vertical game and run after the catch but not much more.
[Comment From DonDon:
With the Pack being a passing team do you think they would consider Ingram if he fell to them.
Frank Coyle:
Ingram has some problems with his knee. It might cost him a first round grade. There may not be a RB in first round for the first time in history. I always feel I can find a RB on the middle and late rounds. I love LeShoure and Ryan Williams in the 2nd round. Todman in 3rd Delone Carter in the 4th. I think most teams feel they can land a good back much later and as a result focus on problem areas with early selections.
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[Comment From RonRon:
With the NFL lockout there were no pre-draft trades like the flurry we saw in '10. With player movement disallowed, I think there will be very few trades made, and those trades will be at the end of round one/beginning of round two, and the end of round three/beginning of round four. Your thoughts?
Frank Coyle:
All trades have to be with other draft picks. It could mean more deals just teams have to agree on value. We have a Value Board on www.draftinsiders.com for subscribers. It is a good yard stick for draft picks value that gives clubs a barometer to go by. There could be a lot of deals once the first round settles down.
[Comment From JonJon:
What big name player do you think will slide the farthest this year in the first round....always someone.
Frank Coyle:
I think Bowers is falling due to the knee. Probably to the mid first round.
The QB is a wild card, Locker and Mallett to the back of the first round.
DE Clayborn is falling off medical. DT Fairley is falling off maturity issues.
[Comment From JimboJimbo:
Talk to us about M. Wilkerson. Where do you have him ranked?
Frank Coyle:
Muhammad Wilkerson is a big young athlete. He got to the passer as an inside rusher. That is gold in the NFL He fits both fronts Inside at tackle in the 4-3 and end in the 3-4 five tech spot. though no experience in that role. What bothers me is his motor. He took plays off I saw him a lot and he is not fully developed, though a young athlete with excellent skills. He figures in the latter part of the first round.
[Comment From Stan the manStan the man:
Mike Pouncey...good as his brother?
Frank Coyle:
Mike is not as good as his brother as a center. Mike saw more time at guard due to his brother playing center. Mike actually had hiking problems in the Gun, though it is correctable. He figures in the later first round and I give him an early starting grade at all interior positions. He should be a solid starter for a decade.
[Comment From BartBart:
Frank...do the Packers have a real position of need and if so why?
Frank Coyle:
I feel OT, OLB, DL, CB, WR RB in this order.
It depends on how players fall. It also depends on their intentions with Charles Woodson. If they move him to safety then CB might be their top priority.
An edge rusher is big need and if Justin Houston, Martez Wilson or Akeem Ayers is on the board they probably go in that area. They also love Brooks Reed who is flying up the charts. He could be a surprise first round pick. Certainly no later than early 2nd round.
[Comment From JamesJames:
Will there be a top 3 OT at #32 in your opinion and who?
Frank Coyle:
No Tyron Smith, Castonzo and Nate Solder should be off the board.
Carimi might fall to either the Bears or Steelers right in front of Pack
OT Derek Sherrod figures in late first Maybe Steelers take him
Interestingly, the Steelers and Packers have similar needs at the top.
[Comment From HankHank:
Any sleepers in the later rounds?
Frank Coyle:
Hundreds of them. Good scouts find them. Look for TE Collin Franklin of Iowa St. to make an NFL roster in Sept. Love a ton of backs Mario Fannan of Auburn can be a starting feature back. I love Edmund Gates, He is a home run hitter
PackerChatters Staff:
[Comment From BillBill: ]
Who is the most overrated and underrated in this years Draft?
Frank Coyle:
I think overrated would be Adrian Clayborn, Clint Boling, Jeremy Beal
Underrated Locker, Jerrel Jernigan, Delone Carter, Denarius Moore
PackerChatters Staff:
This concludes tonight's Draft Chat and we thank Frank for taking the time to be with us tonight and this year. Be sure to stop by DraftInsiders.com and check out this years Draft Year Book and all the other great Draft information available.
PackerChatters Staff:
Thanks to all for coming with your Draft questions and to Frank for joining us this year. We look forward for his returning in 2012.
Thanks Frank.
Frank Coyle:
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